Long Term Stay Visa, Part 2

Despite the work it took to obtain my visa in the first place, my paperwork was not completed.  This is what happens when you get here.

I will admit, I was planning for a full-day affair on March 12th.  That was the 90-day mark of my arrival and OFII (Office Français de l’Immigration et de l’Intégration) wanted my bright shining face in the 10th arrondissement at 09h00.

I needed to bring the following with me:

1.  The letter whi2014-03-12 07.59.26ch had been mailed (and emailed) to me providing proof of my appointment.  Easy enough.

2.  My passport.  Of course.

3.  My quittance de loyer or attestation d’hébergement.  Asked my landlord, piece of cake.

4.  A photo.  They have photomatons all over the city where you can step in a booth and knock this out..  5 euros for five pictures.  You can use them for all sorts of things.  Notice how happy I look!  But in all seriousness, you’re not allowed to smile.

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5.  Fiscal stamps.  This was hilarious.  I needed to go to a Tabac – a store that sells tobacco – which is often a cafe – and buy these.  You use them for all sorts of taxes and fees.  There were two and then soon ten anxious smokers behind me in line, as the lady kindly counted out 241 euros in fiscal stamps.  To be fair you can now, mirabile dictu, buy these online!

6.  A vaccination card. This was proof that I had gotten all the basic stuff.  The kind folks at Sunflower Medical Group faxed that to me the same day I requested it.

2014-03-12 07.59.40So I had a bit of work I had to do in the days leading up to my appointment.  Day of, I packed snacks, sandwiches, a book, my journal, etc.  I was ready to be there all day.  Boy was I wrong.

Perhaps it is the repetitive nature of what they do, but this group of French civil servants are among the most efficient I have seen in any country, ever.

I was checked-in downstairs by a security guard, who sent me upstairs to my first waiting area.  I had arrived at 08h50, about 10 minutes before my appointment window.  I was seated for about 3 minutes before I was moved to another area.  Instead of the first room, which had 30 seats and only 6 people seated, this oval room had 40 seats and all but 3 were taken.  These were immediately taken by myself and the other two aliens/immigrants who had been walked down the hall from Room #1.

I got comfortable, got out my book (Msgr. Robert Hugh Benson’s Lord of the World, an excellent read, by the way, and free on your Kindle or Kindle app) and got ready to be there for a while.

After 20 minutes of reading I looked up to get used to the flow of traffic.  Immediately to my left there were nurse practitioners or equivalents calling out names.  After going in that room, you are a little later called into another room, then another, then you leave to go back to the front.

One of the interesting aspects of the morning was hearing the French try to pronounce non-French names.  “Stephen Heiner” comes out as “Steve-fen Eye-Nehr.”  I’ve often thought of creating a “stage name” during my time in France – something like “Etienne Henry.”  Etienne is French for Stephen and Henry would just be an elision of Heiner.  Oh well, next time perhaps.  When I didn’t have to show documentation that I was someone else 🙂

I heard my name amid the buzzing French conversations and stood up and went into the first room.  I was asked to take off my coat and scarf and was weighed, measured, and given an eye test.  There didn’t seem to be any problems, and as a bonus I found I had dropped 5 kg, about 12 pounds, since I had been in France.  I could keep this up and be at my ideal weight after 9 more months! 🙂

I should note here that I’ve very much taken on French rhythms and customs of eating, with a paleo twist.  I don’t snack in between meals, my portion sizes are sensible (read: not American), and I cook my own food most of the time.  My paleo twists are frequent use of butter and meats, and a reversal of my age-old practice of increasing meal size as the day goes on.  I now have a huge breakfast (when it isn’t Lent, of course), a medium-sized lunch, and a modest dinner, with the dinner taken before 19h00.  Of course, when I go out with friends for meals we usually don’t even get to the restaurant until 20h00.  But most days this is the regimen – and that, combined with my having to walk and bike everywhere – an average of 3 miles per day – was probably the main reason I lost that winter weight that had been storing up during my car-dependent life in America.

I sat down after this felicitous weigh-in and dug back into my book.  09h45.

The next station was the radiologist.  There were three changing rooms we lined up outside of.  We would step in and lock the door, which would activate a light on the other side to let the radiologist know there was a new “customer” waiting.

We were to strip above the waist and wait patiently.  After a few minutes my door opened and I was walked to an x-ray machine.  The radiologist said “Breathe-in” in French and I took a deep breath and held it.

At around 10h30 I was called for my last stop in the oval room: the doctor.

She asked if I spoke French and I said that if she spoke slowly, please, I would be able to keep up.  Fluents, by nature, speak quickly.  I do unconsciously in English all the time.

She laughed and obliged.  She looked over my files, asked for my vaccination card, and ticked off some other questions like was I taking any medications, etc.

She stamped and signed a sheet – one for my records and one to hand to my final stop.

I was back in the room I started in.  I sat down just in time to watch the exchange between the woman in charge and another person, like me, getting ready to check-out.

(In French)

“Your papers, please”

(girl hands them over)

“Photo, proof of residence, and fiscal stamps, please”

(girl hands them over)

Woman takes everything, then frowns and hands back a piece of paper.

“This is not sufficient.”

Now, the girl had handed her an SFR cell phone bill, which everyone knows isn’t good enough for anything.  The woman asked for a quittance de loyer or attestation d’hébergement, or the single most important piece of paper for your administrative life in France, an EDF (Électricité de France) bill.

(girl stammers back in halting French that she doesn’t have it)

“bien revenir, alors,” the woman said, annoyed.

The girl stammered, in English, “I come back?”

“Oui, oui, cet après-midi, demain, ce n’est pas grave.”  She was more annoyed now.

The girl made it into a statement, “I come back.”

The woman stared her into going away.

That girl left without the one thing we all were there for today: the sticker in the passport saying we were “legal.”  I was scared.  I triple-checked all my stuff.  But I had everything.  She smiled and handled my papers, and put this all important sticker in my passport, and stamped it.

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She handed me a sheet of paper which instructed me to go to my police station in my prefecture, which is the final step in this process.  And she demonstrated what I’ve come to realize:  if you come prepared with all you need, the French are happy to help you on your way.

So, I’m not totally done, but mostly done, and the second step was a total breeze compared to the first.

19 thoughts on “Long Term Stay Visa, Part 2

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  5. Hi Stephen, could you please clarify what requirement 6 (the vaccination card) was? Is this required to be completed before leaving the U.S. and is it specified anywhere? Thanks so much!

    • Mason – just your basic vaccination card – your doctor should have the records. I suppose you could complete it in France, but you need to be prepared to communicate in French with a doctor and explain why you need all these shots (which you probably don’t – so get the records).

  6. Hey Stephen, how long did it take for you to get the first ‘confirmation’ letter back from the OFII, and then the appointment letter? Thanks!

  7. Its been a while since I chatted with you all. Stephen, you have been a BIG help. We now have our carte de sejours. HORRAY! One thing I should share. We were unable to pay for the impot stamps at the Tabbac. We went to a local government agency to purchase the stamps. They accepted a credit card for no extra charge. We are now already looking to renew in one year. I visited the Perfecture this morning and was informed that renewing shouldn’t be a problem and that I can do it 2 months before. I was also told I would need to submit similar documentation the next time, including residence documentation, insurance varification, etc. I forgot to ask if there is a charge for renewal after one year. Does anyone know? Does each Perfecture have separate regulations?
    Thanks again for all your shares, especially Stephen.

    • For such a large amount to be paid – now 269€ – not all the tabacs are able to provide but I know several where it is still possible.

      What you are describing here is the tax office. So indeed the cashier can receive payments for the “normal taxes” as well as “sell” those stamps that are used mainly to pay fees, fines and non tax amounts owed to the French administration.

      It has been more than a year now that the delay is closer to 5 months solid. Therefore I advise you to get on the prefecture website at least 5 months before the expiration of the card so you can choose the day you want as well as the time that is the best for your schedule.

      Based what we know the 269€ cost is for every year and therefore expect the same cost for the next renewal.
      Now that you have fully proved everything about you and your spouse the following years the file is indeed simpler
      aside from your IDs and your address proved with a utility document you must prove:
      your means and often your 12 months of French bank statements should be enough as long as you receive and therefore spend a minimum of 14.000€ a year

      your health coverage valid in France

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  9. Hello,

    I have a question please : any thing special bout the “quittance de loyer” ? a simple paper signed is enough ?

    Thanks

      • Hi,

        Thanks, but I mean nothing special about I can use an exemple from the internet ? they accept a handwritten signed paper ?

        • Well if you use an example from the internet it’s not going to be a handwritten signed paper.

          In general “handwritten signed paper” is not a formula for success with the prefecture. Have something typed up.

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  11. Hello Stephen,
    Thank you for your informative blog. I have some questions specific to my situation and hope that you may have the answers for me, who’s in the process of applying for a Long term visa as a non-EU national married to a French citizen. We’re moving to France after several years abroad and this is my first time going to stay in France beyond the 90-day tourist visa period.

    May I know what are the vaccinations that are required? I have a vaccination card, a yellow booklet issued to me when I lived in Germany for a year in 2012, but it only contained the vaccinations I did within that year. Before that and since then, I’ve had more vaccinations that I collected on multiple different cards, having lived in different places. I was thinking I could compile a comprehensive list by myself and show that, but it won’t be “official” so I’m guessing it won’t work… Would bringing my list to a French GP doctor and asking him to “officialize” it do (assuming he/she would)?

    Regarding the X-ray, do you know if there is a way to be exempted from it? i.e. If I show medical proof like a blood test result or a previous vaccination record that I don’t have whichever maladies they are scanning for? I am currently preggers and that is the last thing I want to do, even if plenty of people say “it’s alright”. (My doctor did say “better not” :p )

    I am currently in France (already went to the prefecture and got thrown out >_<) and in a few weeks, I will be going back to my home country to cobble together all the necessary documents and get all the admin stuff sorted out, so if you've any tips on anything I can do now in France it'll help save me another round-trip ticket O_O. In any case, your blog is really a great help. Thanks in advance and cheers!

  12. You will get an immigration visa, which I believe lasts for 3 months so you can start the prefecture procedure to obtain the carte de séjour. In the middle of this complete immigration procedure there is the physical done by OFII.

    In French the mandatory vaccinations
    le vaccin anti-diphtérique,
    le vaccin anti-tétanique,
    le vaccin anti-poliomyélitique,
    I am guessing here but if you lived in Germany, you must have them. So even though I hear your concerns, I do not share them in this case as you should not need any new ones and furthermore, OFII does not demand them as such. So you can go through the procedure without having to prove them on the spot.

    I cannot answer about being pregnant. I dealt with a few cases where the people had such major medical conditions that the physical routine had to be changed for them according to what they were able to handle.
    So if I draw the same comparison, it should not be a problem regarding your condition.

    Here we are dealing with a strategy issue.
    (1)The prefecture is going to give you the official legal answer, which is going back to your country to ask for a visa at the French consulate because it is a big deal for them that non EU citizens enter legally in France when they wish to immigration.
    (2) I tell you that the article 313-11-4º allows you to ask for a carte de séjour WITHOUT THE VISA. This means that you accept to be an undocumented alien asking for a special favour as defined in the law. You would lose all rights to stay in France legally if you stop living together within 3 years.

    So you have a choice and I believe that (2) sounds better than (1). I have attached the copy of the law to prove my case.

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